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2006-04-29 [Amanda Kaye!]: Not everyone is creative though. If you don't like seeing the same thing's then go read someone else's page. So what if it breaks copyright? I put lyrics to songs on my page that I did not write, and no one has complained about that yet. If you are going to complain about one thing breaking copyright, shouldn't you complain about everything else as well. Ya know, just to be fair.
2006-04-29 [Azuri]: We are getting there >> and this being a fantasy/art comunity/a whole lot of other artsy things people should at least(in my thinking anyway) give a crack at being creative even if it does happen to suck it shows effort
2006-04-29 [iippo]: Just because no one complains to you directly about written copyright, doesn't mean nobody complains. It is/has been discussed in Patroller-foru
2006-04-29 [iippo]: And since this is a fantasy artists, writers and likers community, it'd make much more sense to show your liking to the work of a creative member, if you yourself are not one. Ask the permission of a poet/lyricist/
2006-04-29 [Stray Kitty]: Does anyone know how to create a contest wiki? I need help!
2006-04-29 [Kiddalee]: Look at previous contests for examples. They generally contain: Contest Title, Description Of Contest, Rules/Guidelin
2006-04-30 [Silver Phantoms]: accually [iippo] I understand what you are saying about the lyrics of songs, but they still have meaning without the music, or at least the music I listen to does. I normally don't listen to music that doesn't have lyrics that mean something to me and I have at least 179 songs, so, yeah. sorry I just needed to point that out. But I agree with what you are saying (to an exstent) I also agree with [Azuri]. Well said.
2006-04-30 [iippo]: But the lyrics only have a meaning to you because you have listened to the music. Yes, there are some very well written texts to songs that nearly count as sung poetry instead of lyrics, but that's a rare case. Very rare. And a lot of people don't consider the fact that by pasting the song lyrics on their page, they might actually be harming the band. The band has the copyright, they get to decide where and when their lyrics are shown, yet these 'fans' break that right without consideration. It'd make more sense to say "I really love this song, check out the lyrics *link here to band's website*". That would be welcome advertising to the band. Randomly stealing their words...?
2006-04-30 [Azuri]: well really not all bands have all the lyrics to all their songs posted on their offical website but i see what your getting at.
2006-04-30 [iippo]: There's also the possibility of Yahoo!-Music linkage. You can link to their music-video, which are in excistanse to promote the work of the band. That would even be original, Elftown-house wize... o.O *considers putting it in her own house*
2006-04-30 [Azuri]: yes that would be better than having the lyrics just randomly posted there also its easier to scroll past. I hadnt thought of that ^_^
2006-04-30 [_habnabit]: Not all bands have Yahoo music videos.
2006-04-30 [iippo]: But all bands do have the copyright to their own lyrics. If you like them so much, why would you break their copyright, thus causing them harm?
2006-04-30 [Azuri]: yea but not every band has a website and you cant always find every lyrics to every song(the lyrics could be wrong if whoever wrote them didnt clean out their ears) there will always be differences
2006-04-30 [iippo]: Maybe you can't find the lyrics on the net for a reason: the band doesn't want them there? Maybe they want you to actually buy the album and be able to read the lyrics from the coversheet. Maybe they don't want people to be able to read the lyrics at al, knowing that they're meant to be understood only inside the music.
2006-04-30 [Sad Lonely Angel]: or they havnt put them in yet
2006-04-30 [iippo]: But we are straying from the topic pretty badly, aren't we? ^_^;;; As much as I love to shun stealing lyrics, we're here to get rid of these darned pasted things.
2006-04-30 [Azuri]: also all those unsign/unknown bands they arnt gonna have their lyrics out on the net they are gonna want you to buy their music listen to it and like it
2006-04-30 [Azuri]: mesh mesh::shuns pastie thingys instead::
2006-04-30 [Sad Lonely Angel]: sorry
2006-04-30 [The Red Baron]: 4 words: spare us the lameness
2006-04-30 [Ayeaka]: Ugh, signed. Most people that copy and paste that story onto their profiles also have a MILLION other copy and pasted stories!
2006-05-01 [Stray Kitty]: About the lyrics issue: I don't think that they should be in houses (only because most of them are long), but as long as you give the name of the band, it's giving credit right?
2006-05-01 [kittykittykitty]: I'm pretty sure that, for some reason, copy-and-pasti
2006-05-01 [iippo]: Well, if I drew a picture and someone put it in their Elfhouse (giving credit to me) without asking my permission, I would report. So if you get the permission from the band and give credit, then I don't see the problem. And I agree with kittykittykitt
2006-05-01 [Lady Chaos]: I think too many people put song lyrics up in their house... I mean, granted, sometimes it's cool to put a few lines of your favourite song in your house. But does EVERYONE really need to read (not hear, READ) the lyrics to that Papa Roach song again? I reckon if you can't upload pictures that aren't completely yours, even if you give credit, you shouldn't be allowed to display song lyrics either. It's only fair.
2006-05-01 [iippo]: Yeah, just as if you put a poem by an ET-member in your house without their consent: it'd be theft. Hmm, we could make a wiki for song lyrics separately, while this page focuses on the motorcycle story and similars. Because not all who hate the motorcycle story, hate the song lyrics...
2006-05-01 [Lady Chaos]: Yeah, that's true... and while it would be good to have no one putting the motorcycle story up, if there was a "rule" about song lyrics then it would be too harsh... you wouldn't even be allowed to quote a line or two, and people who have song lyrics for their username would have to be banned... :S
2006-05-01 [iippo]: Erm, except if the song-lyric rule wasn't made to be too hard. o.O Like "few lines is ok, the whole thing not liked". And that people with song lyrics as their name should be banned is just sillyness - my friend [Exapno Mapcase] is named after Harpo Marx. I only recently found out that there is a song called Exapno Mapcase - also named after Harpo Marx. Words/lyrics/s
2006-05-01 [Lady Chaos]: What gets me is these sentence-lengt
2006-05-01 [iippo]: Yeah. It's some strange emo-thing to put periods in the wrong place. One user was even called periods.make.e
2006-05-01 [Lady Chaos]: LOL!!! Hehehe... yeah, we've got the right idea in Australia, we call them "full stops" so there is no confusion.
2006-05-01 [Azuri]: I wanna know how they get the weird little hearts and stuff when i made my username it told me those werent aloud. :/ I think that the rule about lyrics would be great it would probly be something like " A few lines is all good and fine but dont go over board and dont put the whole song in your house. Its like stealing a poem from another person and its not aloud here" or something like that ^_^
2006-05-01 [Stray Kitty]: I hate those. Especially the long ones. They make the Elftown status have the whole scroll things. It's so annoying. But I have a song lyric in my diary, it's because it relates to the entry
2006-05-01 [kittykittykitty]: maybe somebody could pose this to [Hedda]? though where and how I don't know....
2006-05-01 [Chimes]: The Forums. There is one for Suggestions
2006-05-01 [iippo]: <forum:Elftown, Suggestions> is the suggestions-fo
2006-05-01 [kittykittykitty]: ahhh yes ^__^ pose the suggestion with the petition too... genius! *ish slow*
2006-05-01 [Azuri]: well it wouldnt matter if you had lyrics in your diary or on a wiki page, because people can skip over that. most of the stuff like celeb/random pictures are aloud on wiki so if the song lyrics got banned from the houses im sure you could still put them up in other places than the house
2006-05-01 [iippo]: Yeah, that's what I'm thinking as well. So just have a wiki "these are the songs I love" and put the lyrics there. Then you free up space in your description to describe yourself.
2006-05-01 [Azuri]: mesh as it should be. I mean how am I suposta know if I want to message a person if I cant find anything out about their intrestes and such?
2006-05-01 [iippo]: Other than "hey, you love Song X!" "Yes, yes I do!" "Me too!" "Cool!" "Yeah!" ... And then...?
2006-05-01 [Stray Kitty]: Or what could happen is you could deeply analize the song. A friend and I did that once.
2006-05-01 [Silver Phantoms]: That's fun to do, deeply analizing songs... find all the hidden meanings, lol.
2006-05-02 [Stray Kitty]: And create ones that might not exist. Pictures always make it better.
2006-05-02 [Stray Kitty]: The MSP Banner Contest Alright now we need someone to get it one mainstreet!
2006-05-02 [Seamus Schwathe]: I think they ask the administrator to do it.
2006-05-02 [Stray Kitty]: So, would I go to the council or the assembly?
2006-05-02 [Seamus Schwathe]: To advertise the contest? The page to advertise in is MC.
2006-05-02 [iippo]: But someone whose bio is filled with lyrics by Britney Spears might not be... capable of analysing the song... >_>
2006-05-02 [Lady Chaos]: That is the thing... if you are one to deeply anaylse the lyrics of the song, it doesn't take much to look it up on Google and read the lyrics, rather than randomly viewing ET houses in the hope that they'll have the lyrics to a song worth analysing up.
2006-05-02 [Azuri]: *nods* cause we all know most of the people who have lyrics in their ET houses dont have lyrics that are good for analizing, I dont think Ive ever analysed a song before O.o
2006-05-02 [Lady Chaos]: I put some lyrics up in my diary because they were funny... the one band that went to the same high school as me put "suicidal education" as the first and last lines in the chorus of their latest song... hilarious... :S
2006-05-03 [Kiddalee]: Hey, sorry I haven't been around lately. I personally don't have as much of a problem with song lyrics as other Stupid Pasted Things, because there are so many songs out there, and they can be intelligent, but the usual pasted things are much more clichéed and meaningless. I suppose song lyrics can be something to talk about here, but I was wondering if you could treat it as a separate issue?
2006-05-03 [Azuri]: I think we are, but I think the reason we are talking about it here is cause there is no wiki to carry it over to just yet.
2006-05-03 [Kiddalee]: Well then... What shall ye all do about that?
2006-05-03 [Azuri]: Me a whole lot of nothing. I suck at making wikis >>
2006-05-03 [iippo]: Hmm, would it be worth it to make a wiki for that yet, or wait until this one gets somewhere and more people? I can make the wiki some day when having a free moment, I don't mind that.
2006-05-03 [Azuri]: Hmm i say we should take it one thing at a time and just wait till we get this one rolling, dont wanna bombard Hedda with these things
2006-05-03 [Seamus Schwathe]: Yes. Make it obvious how strong this movement is because right now we don't even have 100 signatures.
2006-05-03 [Azuri]: we are getting there though and more people sign up each day
2006-05-03 [Seamus Schwathe]: Yes. I've never seen any one list fill up this fast.
2006-05-03 [Stray Kitty]: Anyone know how to get a contest on mainstreet?
2006-05-03 [dragonflye]: As soon as someone who runs MC they will do it.
2006-05-04 [Stray Kitty]: Alright. Thank you.
2006-05-05 [dragonflye]: I mistyped that. When they see it they will. Oops.
2006-05-12 [LittleBill]: I think there's a name missing from that list up there ; )
2006-05-13 [Stray Kitty]: And who's name might that be?
2006-05-13 [General]: I'll sign. o_O
2006-05-13 [rainbow band-aid taco box]: hi
2006-05-13 [Kiddalee]: YaY!
2006-05-13 [General]: Haw, haw. x3
2006-05-18 [Stray Kitty]: It would be really nice if people could help advertise this contest in their moods and stuff. The MSP Banner Contest. The orginal idea of the contest was to advertise the wiki. And if no one knows about the contest, then it can't do much advertising for the wiki.
2006-05-18 [M_Sinner]: I somehow think that making banners to advertise the story would just make more people aware of it... thus more people would put it in their houses... thus, you would, more likely, end up with not only the motercycle story, but a banner in every person's house to go along with it.
2006-05-18 [Cina]: why would they have the motorcycle story AND a banner against the motorcycle story in their houses?
2006-05-18 [M_Sinner]: Because it's just the kind of thing that people would do. They won't take the story out of their house. what they'll do is see a cool banner, put it in their house, and never delete the story. Why else would you see about three banners for teh sme wiki in peoples' houses? It's just a psychological thing...
2006-05-19 [iippo]: The three-banners-
2006-05-19 [M_Sinner]: However, having the banner for the story and teh story in a house isn't against the rules... and it's just as annoying.
2006-05-19 [iippo]: I think you can then apply the "If the people are that desperate to show their stupidity, then let them" -policy. That's why usernames like "dickhead" aren't cencored.
2006-05-19 [Cina]: no, but I'm pretty sure people don't just put "pretty banners" in their houses because they're "pretty" unless they belong to the wiki or at least agree with it.
2006-05-20 [Stray Kitty]: Anyways, the point of the contest was to raise awareness of this wiki. But the contest needs to be advertised before it can advertise for the wiki. Anyways, there's only going to one official banner or maybe two.
2006-05-20 [Kiddalee]: I say have one major banner, but still give people the choice of using the other ones. A lot of wikis have several banners to choose from.
2006-05-21 [Stray Kitty]: Hmm, so only the top 3 or 4 would be the official banners.
2006-05-26 [Kiddalee]: Maybe still pick a winner out of them.
2006-05-30 [Stray Kitty]: Alright.
2006-06-03 [Kiddalee]: Good news: Writersco is cracking down on these stupid pasted things. Too bad it's only in Writersco... but seeing as many Writersco crew are Elftown crew, you do have some hope of getting the crew's attention here.
2006-06-03 [iippo]: Well that makes sense (that WC is against them).
2006-06-05 [FireDemonAisha]: omg i'm so thankful at least some one else feels this way too ^._.^
2006-06-12 [Sacha Nikolai]: cha
2006-06-13 [Kurokasai Senshu]: thought it was cute the first time, the next 200 times i thought otherwise
2006-06-13 [Lady_Elowyn]: I've gotten to the point of not even bothering to read it, and just skipping over it.... The sad thing is it isn't just on Elftown. I've seen it on Myspace too, and other sights.
2006-06-13 [Metalelf]: It probably gets everywhere...
2006-06-13 [Shadow_Thief]: i think one of the stupidest things is i've gotten emails with those in them, from people i dont even know! and when someones bio is chalk full of them, and thats all....*brandi
2006-06-13 [Metalelf]: What, like chain letters?
2006-06-13 [Lady_Elowyn]: yeah. My point exactly.]
2006-06-13 [moira hawthorne]: Ive invited those people to move to elfpack... since elftown is suppose to be for fantasy artists and RPers...
2006-06-13 [Lady_Elowyn]: Good idea
2006-06-13 [moira hawthorne]: and if they are cyber freaks I invite them to move to fake
2006-06-13 [Lady_Elowyn]: Again, a good idea
2006-06-15 [tuff ghost]: But.... Beware. If you do so with a certain amount of force behind your voice, um, guards get pissed off at you. <.< >.>
2006-06-15 [Sacha Nikolai]: that's only if they are notified, most people forget about guards
2006-06-15 [Kiddalee]: But even then, it's only right to be tactful. Besides, the people will be more likely to listen to you then.
2006-06-17 [Sacha Nikolai]: true
2006-06-17 [Stray Kitty]: Would any one like to enter the banner contest? We need entries NOW. And if you're not going to enter in it could you please advertise in your mood or house?
2006-06-17 [Seamus Schwathe]: It hasn't been featured yet. Have patience.
2006-06-17 [Stray Kitty]: We still need entries.
2006-06-17 [Seamus Schwathe]: If we still have no entries after it goes up on Mainstreet for a few days, then you can worry about it. I would bring the deadline from 20 entries to 10-15, myself.
2006-06-17 [Stray Kitty]: Okay.
2006-06-19 [Alexis!]: hahahahahahaha
2006-06-20 [Sacha Nikolai]: O-o *twitch*
2006-06-20 [Kiddalee]: Ha?
2006-06-20 [Sacha Nikolai]: totally
2006-06-22 [Kiddalee]: Oo. We're getting close to a hundred...!
2006-06-22 [Nite_Owl]: heh, I thought I signed up for this a long time ago (^,^) I told my brother about this story earlier and he wanted to see the others--they'r
2006-06-22 [Shadow_Thief]: i thought the same thing, i thought i signed up at the very beginning...an
2006-06-22 [Nite_Owl]: oh well, at least I signed up now :D how's all you peoples?
2006-06-22 [Soul Assassin]: good and yourself?
2006-06-22 [Nite_Owl]: not bad. Kinda bored, as summer usually is...can't do anything much outside or I'll be burned to death in the 105 degree heat (O,o)
2006-06-22 [Soul Assassin]: damn. i could do with a bit warmer here, 45 *F this morning...tho i wouldnt' say boring as we went for an hr's muddy mountain bike...single tracks in the rain are just the sweetest thing around
2006-06-22 [Nite_Owl]: wow, spiffy :D I wish it were like that here hahaha You live in Alaska? We've been there twice before--veeeee
2006-06-22 [Soul Assassin]: yaya so i do. i can't say i'm fond of south cali...it's so...dry and dusty. i like red meat so the cows are very interesting to me...while rollerskiing around santa maria i had many many fantasies about eating nice juicy beef :D
2006-06-22 [Nite_Owl]: Hahaha, I can't live without meat XD i'm practically the opposite of a vegetarian lol Alaska has good salmon though, which is the bestest fish hehe and Canada's maple cookies..mmmmm
2006-06-22 [Soul Assassin]: oh yes the hot stuff is the best ! yeap king season is over here and they were amazing...i swear they're the best fish on the face of the planet...and anyone who eats farmed fish of any sort should be disgusted and ashamed of themselves! >.< to be supporting such a horrid enterprise.
2006-06-25 [Kai Crewger]: hay, I know more people here now!
2006-06-25 [Sacha Nikolai]: 99 people!
2006-06-25 [Nite_Owl]: uno mas! one more to go! (^,^)
2006-06-26 [Sacha Nikolai]: totally
2006-06-27 [Thatz]: 100 people!!!
2006-06-27 [Nite_Owl]: huzzah! huzzah!! *opens champagne bottle* weeee!!! XD let's get wasted!!
2006-06-27 [Sacha Nikolai]: \/\/007
2006-06-28 [Kiddalee]: ***jigs with everybody!*
2006-06-28 [Soul Assassin]: awesomness!
2006-06-28 [Sacha Nikolai]: *random dancing rhino*
2006-06-28 [Nite_Owl]: *downs some cola and Irish whiskey* XP wooooooo!!
2006-06-28 [Sacha Nikolai]: yum...where's the vodka..?
2006-06-28 [Nite_Owl]: here ya go *tosses some Gray Goose* (^,^) hehehehe we have practically every alcohol in my house lol
2006-06-28 [Faulty Limerence]: I must join this and say, that story was NEVER sweet. If he loved her, then he would have made her wear a helmet in the first place.
2006-06-28 [Nite_Owl]: Ah, it's you again :D Short time no see, eh?
2006-06-28 [Faulty Limerence]: Hahah yep.
2006-06-29 [Sacha Nikolai]: lmao...or had her not get on the bike in the first place
2006-06-29 [Faulty Limerence]: Well, I don't see anything wrong with riding a motorcycle.
2006-06-29 [Kiddalee]: But he wouldn't let her do it until he had a spare helmet if he loved her. And why not show he loves her by going out and buying a spare helmet?
2006-06-29 [Faulty Limerence]: Exactly.
2006-06-29 [Nite_Owl]: Heh, maybe he should just take care of that bike, huh? And he didn't have to crash into a building either, that's the part that pissed me off the most. Why couldn't he just cruise to a halt and everything would've been fine? And he shouldn't have been going at 100 mph anyways....
2006-06-29 [Sacha Nikolai]: true dat
2006-06-29 [Soul Assassin]: he's just a stupid f* and she doesn't seem much smarter...over
2006-06-29 [Sacha Nikolai]: Moral: he loved her so much..wait..th
2006-06-29 [Tesa]: I agree with [Nite_Owl]. He could have totally just cruised to a stop....not some blasted building. What was he thinking?! Must have been brain freeze from not wearing a helmet. >__>
2006-06-29 [Soul Assassin]: haha must have been just a general lack of brain cells....
2006-06-29 [Tesa]: Oh my gosh, totally! X__x
2006-06-29 [Soul Assassin]: ;)
2006-07-01 [dead~spirit]: It is about time some one made this damn petition!!!!
2006-07-01 [Seamus Schwathe]: Feel free to advertise it. ^_^
2006-07-01 [Soul Assassin]: WE'RE OVRE 100 that is the wickest.
2006-07-01 [Shadow_Thief]: wickedest*
2006-07-01 [dead~spirit]: That is because people overkilled the damn story!
2006-07-01 [Soul Assassin]: psh even seeing it twice is too much
2006-07-01 [Darth Jacein]: yeah..
2006-07-01 [Seamus Schwathe]: OVER 100!!! We should have a party!
2006-07-01 [Darth Jacein]: *passes out a noise makers.
2006-07-01 [Soul Assassin]: *hands out the vodka* lets go
2006-07-01 [Darth Jacein]: YAYA!
2006-07-01 [Sacha Nikolai]: *takes the vodka*
2006-07-01 [Darth Jacein]: lol
2006-07-01 [Seamus Schwathe]: *takes the noise makers* We sober people remember what happened. *evil grin*
2006-07-01 [iippo]: *high fives with Seamus* Nothing greater than an early sunday morning!
2006-07-01 [Darth Jacein]: Yeah..
2006-07-01 [Sacha Nikolai]: *cough*...oi,,
2006-07-01 [Darth Jacein]: ummm
2006-07-01 [Sacha Nikolai]: _<
2006-07-01 [Darth Jacein]: lol
2006-07-01 [Soul Assassin]: lost -.^
2006-07-01 [Chaos Darkstar]: I notice you all don't like the story...but have you also actually realized its illogical?
2006-07-01 [Faulty Limerence]: Of course. Unlike all of these other people, I've actually got reasons why I don't like it. Not just that it's "stupid".
2006-07-01 [Stray Kitty]: Let's hear your reasons.
2006-07-01 [Chaos Darkstar]: heh, well there is that detail where, if you stop giving it gas it slows down. Anyone who knows how to drive should know that...
2006-07-01 [Faulty Limerence]: I already told them to you on my first trip here. I've noticed that a lot of the people here are just wanting to be part of something, so they adopt a reason that they hear from someone else.
2006-07-01 [Stray Kitty]: Well, since my reason was "It's stupid! And I'm sick of seeing it in people's houses!" I don't mind if they're here because they want to be part of something. As long as they don't have it their house, I'm fine with it. Oh and we need entrants for the contest.
2006-07-01 [Kiddalee]: How about that the lesson it teaches should be done without the false lessons it also teaches? And also that these things belong in blogs, not bios. They're just too frivolous to go in bios.
2006-07-02 [Sacha Nikolai]: some of you people are almost borderline fascist
2006-07-02 [Stray Kitty]: Please explain.
2006-07-02 [Soul Assassin]: fascist hmmm? i believe that ppl should be able to express themselves. but using the same story as a million other ppl isn't exactly...a form of "personal" expression
2006-07-02 [Nite_Owl]: And just how are we fascists? Because we're saying that stories that are poorly written and not informed in what they're talking about are pointless, despite the message they're trying to send? We're not dictating anything; and if you think that we are, then I guess that would go for all the other wikis supporting/opp
2006-07-02 [Darth Jacein]: yeah..
2006-07-02 [Sacha Nikolai]: no idea..im half asleep, please accept my apologies...
2006-07-02 [Darth Jacein]: lol
2006-07-02 [Soul Assassin]: hmf....poor excuse my friend
2006-07-06 [Kiddalee]: [Soul Assassin], leave him alone.
2006-07-06 [Soul Assassin]: my apologies.
2006-07-06 [Nite_Owl]: Well, he was right, it was a poor excuse. But *shrug* whatever you say...
2006-07-06 [Soul Assassin]: he? hahahah she, i'm a she.
2006-07-06 [Nite_Owl]: ah, scuse me, she XD I make that mistake a lot....and most people think I'm a guy too (^,~)
2006-07-06 [Soul Assassin]: ^.^ i often cultivate that thought for fun and just to see ppls reactions when they are enlightened to their mistake but np to me :D
2006-07-06 [Nite_Owl]: Haha, I just realized I've actually seen your page before, and even talked to you for a bit XP Owlie ish smart today lol
2006-07-07 [Soul Assassin]: we talked....? sorry i've been training doubles lately and my memory seems to be getting worse the more time i spend at it :P ....how long ago did we chat?
2006-07-07 [Nite_Owl]: *shrug* no clue. Owlie's memory sometimes goes *poof* and things get all messed up so maybe we didn't talk at all ^^' You just looked familiar. I know I've seen you on here before....bleh
2006-07-09 [Kiddalee]: Hey guys, is this page exported? If not, could [Stray Kitty] please export it (you're the owner, right?)?
2006-07-09 [iippo]: You're right kidda, it should be exported. :)
2006-07-09 [Nymphette]: I have seen some absolutely hilarious piss takes of this 'story'
2006-07-09 [Stray Kitty]: It's been exported.
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